human trafficking

Pimp confesses to beating and threatening women in German human trafficking trial

Translated from German

Original published at abendzeitung-muenchen.de on 27 March 2014 

Brothel owner admits to beating prostitutes

A brothel owner has admitted to the court that he has beaten his prostitutes [sic].

The Schweinfurt brothel owner has stood trial for human trafficking for several months. After prostitutes confirmed many of the charges, the man breaks his silence – and admits: violence was at times a daily occurrence at the brothel.

Schweinfurt – In the trial over human trafficking in a Schweinfurt brothel, the owner has admitted to having consistently beaten prostitutes. It was also intended as a disciplinary measure, the 38-year-old main defendant confirmed on Thursday upon the judges’ inquiry. The extensive trial at Schweinfurt Landgericht [district court] started in mid-December, but the man had kept his silence so far. He denied having threatened women with the death of family members during his confession.

The man is said to have prevented the prostitutes from leaving the brothel with violence and threats. Several alleged victims confirmed the charges in court. He allegedly lured some of them to Germany with false promises.

The man stressed that his online ads had always clearly indicated that it was about prostitution. According to his characterization, the beatings occurred mainly due to annoyance and anger when the women did not follow his rules – for instance if they failed to hide a colleague without valid papers during an inspection. He also consumed a lot of cocaine and alcohol, he said.

“Were you not also trying to make an example of them with this?” asked presiding judge Erik Ohlenschlager. “I suppose I did,” the defendant replied. However, he also stressed that the women were not locked in and that they could have left the brothel. “If one of them felt she absolutely had to leave, she could leave, any time.” When three women disappeared, however, he tried to find them again – and he also admits to having used threats to do so.

The man said little or nothing with regard to the charges against his co-defendant, a brothel guard. A separate trial has meanwhile been initiated against another alleged accomplice because he only participated in a small number of the 40 charges against the brothel owner.

 

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The German Model: Brazil’s new prostitution law

Translated from German

Original published at banishea.wordpress.com on 27 March 2014

The German Model…

mulher nao e mercadoria

“Women are not commodities!”

…right on time for German boys. And for other boys. Right on time for the FIFA World Cup in Brazil.

The German Model, which even parts of the international prostitution lobby dislike, because it largely dispenses with any sort of protection for women.

In July 2012, a bill was submitted in Brazil that was explicitly modeled on the German prostitution law (1).

Just like in Germany before 2002, prostitution is largely decriminalized in Brazil, i.e. those who are independently active in prostitution with their own bodies are not penalized for it. Neither are those who buy temporary sexual access to them. However, brothels, pimping and human trafficking are prohibited. This also means that the profits in these areas are illegal. Similar to Germany between 2002 and 2005, when the German prostitution law and amendments to the laws on pimping and human trafficking (2) were introduced, the government is now planning to intervene on behalf of the profits and profiteers of this industry. (3)

Just like the German law, the Brazilian bill consists of few clauses and paragraphs.

What was left to be decided on a case by case basis in Germany, for instance the question when “exploitation” is actually even given legally, has partly been incorporated into this law already. Here in Germany, the courts at some point decided that pimps collecting up to 50% of the earnings of a woman in prostitution – it’s usually a woman – is not exploitation. In the Brazilian bill, this is already given a specific definition, cf. Section 1, Para. 1.

Furthermore the Brazilian definition of “exploitation” includes the use of “severe”/“serious” violence when forcing women (others) into prostitution: “forçar alguém a praticar prostituição mediante grave ameaça ou violência. (Section 2, Para. 3, emphasis mine). It doesn’t say what that is supposed to mean, what actually constitutes “severe” violence and what, then, is comparatively “mild” violence or violence. This too is reminiscent of the German law, which deliberately left gaps and where it was just assumed that the courts would interpret it according to the legislators’ intentions and decide in favor or the women affected. (4)

The Federal Court of Justice has demonstrated rather impressively what this looks like in practice in the area of sexual violence (Section 177 ff.) (5). Due process resting on modal verbs.

The areas of pimping and human trafficking, where amendments in relation to the prostitution law were only made in Germany in the years after 2002 (2), are already included in the Brazilian package: human trafficking, both across borders and within the country, is an “act of solidarity” that mustn’t be criminalized as long as it isn’t done with the aim of sexual exploitation as provided in the definition shown above.

The German section on human trafficking for the purpose of sexual exploitation, too, was amended in this respect in 2005. (2)

The reasoning is also taken from the German law: the legalization of exploitation (apart from the especially brutal) makes it safer, condoms cannot be distributed to decriminalized, independent women but rather only to brothels and pimps (okay, it doesn’t say it in those words, but that is the only conclusion that makes any sense…). An expansion of prostitution is not the intention. Sexual exploitation only happens as of now because there is no legal distinction between prostitution and sexual trafficking. (6)

Complementary crocodile tears for the under-18-year-olds are included.

At the same time, the bill concedes that “sex workers currently submit to bad working conditions and suffer from premature aging and a lack of career opportunities while having a career that ends early.” (Atualmente os trabalhadores do sexo sujeitam-se a condições de trabalho aviltantes, sofrem com o envelhecimento precoce e com a  falta  deoportunidades da carreira, que cedo termina. Daí a necessidade do direito  à Aposentadoria Especial, …) Therefore, they have a right to an early retirement pension. This is a point that is not in the German law and that also contradicts the important intention of the German law of having the women in prostitution pay into social security.

And although the law supposedly does not intend an expansion of prostitution, the bill explicitly refers to Brazil as a country with a growing economy, a country hosting two large sporting events that attract millions of tourists. This is also the reason for the pressure to get the law passed before June 12 (start of the FIFA World Cup). It is to come into effect one day after being passed.

Brazil is a country with high poverty. Human trafficking for all kinds of reasons (exploitation in agriculture, as domestic servants and for sexual exploitation) is a big problem. Indigenous peoples are especially affected.

They are trying to raise awareness of their plight on Youtube, Facebook and many social networks. That is how I know about them, and that is also where I found this bill.

I hope Germany gets knocked out in the first round.

 

(1) The German Text here was generated by Google Translate, and I mostly did not make any corrections. Emphases mine.

(2) See “Gesetze” on this blog [banishea.wordpress.com]. The links lead to legal websites where you can read about the amendments made. In the case of human trafficking for the purpose of sexual exploitation, formerly Section 180b of the German Criminal Code and thus in the category of laws on offences against sexual self-determination, now Section 232 (category of offences against personal freedom), “sexual acts” has been qualified with the phrase “through which they are exploited”. “Sexual acts” used to be sufficient.

(3) Like many other well-meaning, open-minded people in politics, also among the Greens, the Left, the Social Democrats, I assumed that this law was intended to help those in prostitution and that it would. I still believe many of its supporters when they say that is what they thought. But the more I  research this law, the more bitter I become. Many people want to do good. But we were manipulated by people who wanted to get illegal profits legalized at last and by politicians who wanted to get access to tax money and social contributions. That is the un-sugarcoated truth.

(4) Galen, Margarete, Gräfin von, Rechtsfragen der Prostitution. Das ProstG und seine Auswirkungen. München (C.H. Beck) 2004, p. 25 and 27, partly 31.

(5) There are countless studies on this and increasing pressure on the German Federal Parliament to finally exert some regulatory force and to adapt Section 177 (sexual assault/rape) to European norms and the general sense of justice. But this does not document the misogynistic interpretation of the provisions (especially the force provision for rape, the basically impossible-to-fulfill condition of being “unprotected and at the mercy of the offender”, and the “general extenuating circumstances” in case of longer intimate relationships) as an expression of the German Federal Court of Justice’s ideology. A collection of information on this subject can be found at www.frauengegensexuellegewalt.wordpress.com. It is absolutely not advisable to make the safety of women and others in prostitution dependent on the Federal Court of Jusicte’s sense of justice.

(6)  ” Enforcing the marginalization of the segment of society engaged in the sex trade is to allow sexual exploitation to take place as no distinction is currently made between prostitution and sexual exploitation, which are both pushed to the margins and not monitored by the responsible authorities. // Impor a marginalização do segmento da sociedade que lida com o comércio do sexo é permitir que a exploração sexual aconteça, pois atualmente não há distinção entreaprostituição e a exploração sexual (…)”

 

 

Open Letter to Amnesty International from Swedish National Committee for UN Women

Translated from Swedish

Original published by the Swedish National Committee for UN Women at unwomen.se on 29 January 2014

Open Letter to Amnesty International

To Amnesty International,

The Swedish National Committee for UN Women has learned that you, as a respected international organization, have started a discussion to affirm prostitution as fully legal employment. To us, this is just as outrageous as if you had endorsed the reintroduction of slavery.

Since time immemorial we have known that it is poverty and patriarchal ruthlessness that drives women and children into the prostitution market. It is not about their free choices. The only one who genuinely has a choice is the buyer!

This is why the UN Women national committee of Sweden wishes to distance itself on the strongest terms from Amnesty International’s ideas about accepting prostitution as a profession. It is not acceptable!

We urge Amnesty International to join us in continuing the fight for human rights.

Margareta Winberg, Chairwoman
Swedish National Committee for UN Women

Interview with Sabine Constabel: “Sex has become consumer goods”

Translated from German

Original by Mathias Bury and Viola Volland published at stuttgarter-zeitung.de on 18 March 2014

Interview with Sabine Constabel: “Sex has become consumer goods”

Every day about 500 women in Stuttgart sell their bodies. The conditions in the oldest profession have become harsher. Sabine Constabel, who runs the prostitutes’ café La Strada, calls for legislators to crack down.

Ms. Constabel, prostitution has been the subject of discussion here again for a while, here in Stuttgart, but also in Berlin.

And the most astonishing aspect is that the debate is a long-lasting one. It has tended to be a topic for the summer slump in the media.

Have things become that much worse?

Prostitution has become more visible. The milieu used to be a world closed to the outside, even  though street prostitution existed. But back then, grown women were selling themselves on the streets. Today they’re really young girls, and nearby you can see men who are obviously their pimps. A pimp standing next to an 18-year-old prostitute was something you only saw on TV 15 years ago. That’s where the dismay comes from.

Where are the girls from?

Most of them are from Eastern Europe. We know this from police statistics. 83 percent are foreign nationals, the majority are from Romania, Bulgaria and Hungary.

What are the causes of this change?

On the one hand, the liberalization of the prostitution laws in 2002, and on the other hand the Eastern European expansion of the EU in 2003, which led to a large influx of poor migrants.

Has the inflow increased since Romanians and Bulgarians have been granted free movement of persons in the EU?

No. People from these countries are now also permitted to be in dependent employment in the EU. They were already allowed to be self-employed. And prostitutes are legally speaking self-employed.

Are Eastern European women particularly affected by forced prostitution?

Forced prostitution also exists among German prostitutes. But it is indeed especially common among Eastern Europeans. These girls would not even be able to travel here on their own. They could neither afford the ticket nor could they book a room due to a lack of language skills. The girls are surrounded by a system of men who lead them into prostitution.

How does this system work?

Many women come from large families that are in dire straits. The family decides: we send one girl to Germany – the daughter, the niece, the cousin – and use her to make money. Then one or two family members travel here with her, take her to a brothel or put her on the street.

This connection with their family must make it hard for the women to exit.

Exiting is extremely hard, as is criminal prosecution. Since the amendment of 2002, it doesn’t suffice for the police to know that the woman is constantly giving over her money and not organizing her own activity. Before 2002, they were able to nab the pimp in such a situation. Now the woman is also required to testify, saying she is being sent to prostitute herself by her brother or father or sometimes even by her mother. None of them do that.

What is interacting with the johns like for the women?

The women report that the johns’ demands have become a lot more aggressive and boundless.  The johns don’t seem to think about the fact that they are dealing with human beings with feelings at all. You can tell that many women are forced prostitutes just by looking at them. They have hematomas, they’re crying and showing that they’re unwilling. They cannot hope for mercy. There is even particular demand for a very high degree of docility. That’s repugnant.

What does this life do to the women?

They know that they are being destroyed psychologically. They find their situation horrible, but they say: I do it for my family. Some feel like martyrs because they grew up knowing they have to sacrifice themselves for their family. They do this until they’re so depressed that they don’t make any more money. Many start taking stimulants because they have such long working hours. Very few get by with less than 18 hours.

Because of the price decline on the streets and in the brothels?

The price for a room in the brothels of Stuttgart is high; they’re between 120 and 140 euros a day. The women usually earn that money in increments of 30 euros. That’s how much the johns pay for the services.

What caused this price decline?

That’s also connected with the prostitution law. Since then, the brothels have been allowed to advertise. They market themselves as businesses that offer wellness for men. Prostitution is trivialized, the women are merely consumer goods. And the advertising works. Entire groups of young men go there. Cinema or brothel – for many, there’s not a huge difference. They go where it’s cheapest. That’s the problem. Many say, five euros for oral sex, that’s enough for a Eastern European. A proper German whore wouldn’t do anything for 30 euros; she’d sooner kick the john out.

So the prostitution law of 2002 was where everything went wrong?

The law was focused on the independent German whore [sic]. Instead, lots of forced prostitutes came over here after the eastern expansion of the EU. For them, the law was counterproductive. That’s why the non-independent, Eastern European forced prostitute now has to be the focus.  She benefits from legal force because it targets the pimp. Regulations ease the burden on these women.

Are the conditions especially bad in Stuttgart or are they typical for a big city?

Stuttgart attracts a lot of attention, for example because the brothel Paradise, which advertises aggressively, is nearby, and because the notorious Pussy-Club used to be in Fellbach [town on the border of Stuttgart]. Stuttgart started counteracting very early. La Strada has existed there for 18 years. Social services for prostitutes have existed since 1953. Flat-rate brothels such as the Pussy-Club can be found everywhere, but no longer here. In other cities, they still advertise very differently: a woman, a beer, and a blood sausage – for 14 euros…

Still: what must the city do now?

The inflow of poverty prostitutes must be stemmed. The city can’t do that; the federal legislators have to make those changes. Otherwise the situation will continue to worsen.

But illegal street prostitution is something that could be curbed locally already.

It is being curbed significantly. It used to be a very different picture. Almost everything is closely under control today. Look at street prostitution in Berlin or Frankfurt, it’s worse there; We are complaining despite things being better here than elsewhere.

Okay – so what must the federal government do?

It has to raise the age of entry to at least 21 years. An older woman is more likely to exercise her rights. Mandatory registration for prostitutes needs to be introduced. In Stuttgart we have figures, but they don’t have that on the national level. It’s especially important that the government determines objective elements of an offense so that the women no longer have to testify. This means that criteria are needed in order to determine that exploitation is taking place, such as taking her money or driving her to the brothel. The brothel owners’ authority to give directives also needs to be repealed: since 2002 they have been allowed to dictate working hours. This is the only way the brothels can operate.

So the profiteers of prostitution should be weakened.

This also includes the owners renting out the buildings. For these rooms – officially, there are no brothels –  there are no maximum rent prices. That needs to change. The big profiteers of prostitution are those renting out the premises, those who run the prostitution establishments and the johns. Those who don’t profit are the women.

The coalition agreement says that johns who knowingly and willingly abuse victims of forced prostitution for sexual acts should be punished. Is this a move in the right direction or is it a toothless tiger because this is almost impossible to prove?

It’s the same as with mandatory condom use – there is no officer standing by and monitoring the situation. It’s also about education and about making a statement. And that’s important.

Do you support mandatory condom use for johns?

Yes, that would be sensible. Such a regulation protects the women and strengthens them in getting johns to comply. The state could introduce this via hygiene regulations.

If most of the responsibility is with the federal and state governments: what is left for the city to do?

It can make its position very clear to Berlin. And it can discuss the demand. Prostitution needs to be brought into the public eye. The young men must be made to realize that there are consequences for just going out and using a forced prostitute. It might just be the encounter that breaks her entirely.

The city is planning a media campaign and wants to take it to the schools as well.

That is absolutely sensible. Those who are now 18 have grown up with sex being consumer goods. We have to make visible what prostitution really is. It’s not Pretty Woman. It has tremendously destructive effects on people – not only on the women that are used. If young men make their first sexual experiences via “pay sex”, they will never learn how to see their partners as equals. We have to have a discussion about values: what is sexuality? How should other people be treated? We have come much further with regard to other topics. Nobody would dispute that you don’t just go and buy a poor person’s kidney.

Sometimes it helps to look to other countries. In Sweden, being a john is prohibited. What are the effects of that?

It very much empowers the women. If they go to the police, nothing happens to them. The john, on the other hand, has to be very careful. If that were the case here, many johns would have a problem. It would get quite a few to think. In Sweden, relatively few johns are punished and yet acceptance of prostitution continues to decline every year.

How likely is it that the Swedish model will be introduced here in Germany?

It’s coming. The pressure from Brussels will become too great. The countries around us are regulating. In France, punishment of johns has all but been passed into law now, others are following suit, among them the Netherlands, so Germany can’t continue being the Eldorado of prostitution.

Views of a John

Translated from German
Original published on magazin-forum.de on 07 February 2014

He is married with children, says his marriage is a happy one. Nevertheless, Achim buys sex, from whores [sic] on the street. He doesn’t have a guilty conscience. He considers prostitution a service.

Achim, are you a bad person?
Why?

Because you go to whores [sic] who prostitute themselves on the street.
Well, there’s nothing to it and it’s not prohibited. On the contrary, prostitution is explicitly permitted in Germany.

What appeals to you about street prostitution? You could go to a brothel too, after all.

I do that too, depending on what I feel like, but sometimes there’s little money. The curb is just cheaper.

Because the women there are being exploited. No woman sells herself on the street voluntarily.
How do you know that? My experience is different. I have gotten to know many women there a bit better by now. As with everything in life, there are these kinds of people and those.

What have your experiences been specifically?
I have used street prostitution for quite a few years now and that means I also repeatedly meet women who have worked there for years. Many prostitutes are addicted to drugs, need the money for their next fix.  There are also a lot of hobby whores who have a regular job during the day and who earn something extra at night. Some are unemployed too, topping up their benefits. Exploitation, as you say, is nowhere to be seen.

What about the prostitutes from Bulgaria and Romania who are on the streets of Saarbrücken?
Yeah, there are a lot of pretty ones among them. I am a frequent customer there and if you ask me, this is a very good development in the city. There is considerably more supply than there used to be.

I was asking you about the exploitation of Romanians and Bulgarians, though.

I don’t know much about that. After all, many of them hardly speak any German and if they do, they don’t say anything. But I do think that there are pimps behind that. Sometimes you see them too.

And yet you go there?
There have always been pimps and there will always be. There are even really famous ones: Bert Wollersheim, for instance, has a big whorehouse in Düsseldorf. There was even a TV series about it. Did anyone get offended about that? No, on the contrary. It’s only the foreign pimps everyone gets outraged about.

You don’t?
Well, it’s better not to have anything to do with them and I don’t book a woman who is being publicly molested by one of them. I don’t want to support that.

But you are kind of doing that. Prostitution exists because there is demand for it; pimping is a consequence of that.
We often discuss this question in our internet forum. I can’t change the world. It is how it is. How about you, then? Do you go to McDonald’s, do you buy at KiK and Schlecker [stores known for worker exploitation]? They also have bad working conditions.

Well, comparing McDonald’s and Schlecker with the brutality of pimping is pretty gutsy. 
I don’t do that. But when I read that the sewers in Bangladesh sew the stuff for KiK, I feel sick. I am a great friend of women and want everyone to be all right. Again, I am against pimping. But I won’t be able to abolish it. I’d rather go to a whore who doesn’t have a pimp. Generally I prefer German prostitutes.

Why?
Because German women do prostitution more respectably; the service is better. Women from the Eastern Bloc like to pull a fast one on us johns.

What does that mean?
Often the girls are just not good. Promise something they don’t keep or want to end it after a really short time already.

You will have to explain that to us.
I wouldn’t like to do that; it’s too intimate.

Too intimate for the whorehouse, isn’t that a contradiction?
Okay, I will give you an example. Intercourse with a girl in the car costs 30 euros. But often it doesn’t actually take place; the girls are just pretending.

What do you mean, pretending?
Okay, that I am not going to tell you. They call it “Falle schieben” [‘pushing trap’]. How exactly that works is something you can read online.

You don’t think that’s okay?
Of course not. I pay what is asked of me, and I want to get what was promised in return.

 “I love my wife a lot; we are a good couple”

You don’t want to be recognizable in this interview. Why not, if all this is so normal?
For me and my friends it’s normal; we’re men. But I don’t want to be recognized by everyone once the interview has been published.

Do you have a wife, by the way?
That question is always asked;  of course, I have a wife and two children. And since you are about to ask me that anyway: yes, I also have a job; I’m not unemployed. I’m a composition floor layer for a large company in the Palatinate.

What does your wife have to say about you curb-crawling?
We don’t talk about it; everyone should have their secrets in a marriage.

Aren’t you cheating on your wife if you are deceiving her like that?
I would never do that.  I love my wife; we are a good couple.

Also in bed?

How is that with you, are you satisfied? The question is indiscreet but I will answer it anyway. Yes, we have good sex, but I simply love variation.

So how often do you buy sex?

Any time I feel like it. It differs; sometimes once a week, twice. Sometimes not at all. Sometimes spontaneously, too. Sometimes I notice I girl that I think is attractive; then I stop.

And then what?
I don’t understand the question.

Well, how does it continue from there?
How do you think it goes, I approach the woman, then it’s discussed what things she does and when we agree on the price, she comes with me.

In the car?
Yes, usually.

A little uncomfortable, don’t you think?
My car is large, comfortable and has good upholstery. Besides, I can fold down the back bench, then there’s enough space.

Sex in a parking lot, basically in public: is that where the kick lies?
None of this is public. We aren’t standing around in any well-lit parking lots either, but in a dark corner where nobody sees you. And the lights in the car stay off too.

And you like things like that?
Otherwise I wouldn’t be doing it. And besides, again, it’s not prohibited.

What do you think about prostitutes?

That something went wrong in their life, or else they wouldn’t be standing there. But I’m not responsible for that and I won’t be able to change it either. Buying sex is a service to me; similar to how I lay composition floors for other people, women go to bed with me for money.

Many whores [sic] offer the whole nine yards, not using condoms and things like that.
That’s for them to decide; I don’t have a death wish. I have my regular program that I always get. But I don’t want to talk about that here.

Maybe the whores [sic] have to do that because they are being forced?
No idea. I don’t force anyone and certainly not a woman. That’s very important to me.

(Editor: Name was changed on interviewee’s request)
Interview: Martin Busche

A John Comes Forward: “I don’t see them as people”

Translated from Norwegian

Original published by Martin Gedde-Dahl on www.nd.no on 06 February 2014

A John Comes Forward

Father of two Ottar Stangelang buys sex without feeling any shame.

-If the money doesn’t go to her, at least she got herself some good dick, says Ottar’s friend and laughs loudly and hoarsely at his interjection into the conversation.

Ottar disagrees. He has no illusions about having given the more than 200 – a number he later has doubts about as it is “impossible to keep count” – women he has bought sex from any pleasure.

–I know she gives as little of a damn about me as I give about her, he says.

We are at Grei café in Skippergata, a few blocks further out towards the docks than proper folks normally go. The address was the 1838 site of Henrik Wergeland’s courtship of his would-be wife Amalie Sofie. Today the place serves as the local pub for Oslo’s prostitutes. Meeting here was one of the conditions Ottar had for appearing as a sex buyer with his name and photo: “If it’s to be done, it must be done right.”

“Right” in this context means beer and fernet in a locale mostly populated by Eastern European-looking women in worn bubble jackets.

The initial background was finding a sex buyer’s reply to Danish ex-prostitute Tanja Rahm’s blog entry “To those who buy sex” which was published in Aftenposten and read by more than 500,000 Norwegians over the course of only a few days. Even though the subject is given many column inches and attention in a series of debate shows on TV and radio, there is a group that has remained unheard for the most part: the actual addressee of the text, the sex buyer. 13% of Norwegian men state that they have bought sex, but so far none of them have come forward and answered the accusations. Ottar wants to give “the sex buyer” a face.

I read the introduction aloud: “Dear sex buyer. If you think I ever felt attracted to you, you are terribly wrong.” Ottar responds with a roar of laughter.

– Who is she talking to? Haha! A sum of money gives me “wham-bam”, miserable sex and unloading. Nobody goes from you feeling pride.

– Surely there are some? Some prostitutes offer a so-called “girlfriend experience”.

– When it comes to feelings I prefer the real deal. But yeah, sure, there are probably those who dig stuff like that. That’s what she doesn’t get: people are different, there’s no such thing as the sex buyer. The same goes for whores, by the way: they are individuals with unique feelings, thoughts and opinions.

He takes a short break, sips his beer and adds:

– But I’m sure as hell not interested in them. They’re not people in my eyes.

Before you write him off as a monster, let me specify: Ottar Stangeland appears to be a good guy. Polite, bright, funny and well-spoken. You would probably like him, at least when he’s not talking about prostitution. You would hardly reject him as being especially evil or stupid, at least not as some kind of social deviant or as somehow incapable of telling right from wrong. The father of two from Stavanger is, on the whole, pretty normal. Aside from some stories of drunk debauchery, a slightly more colorful group of friends and a few more things weighing on his conscience than average. Yes, and a more passionate relationship with buying sex, an interest he has had since he was on a guys’ trip to Denmark at age 17 and paid for sex for the first time.

– We knew there were whores there and we had our minds made up that here we would fuck something that’s not white – try something new! – so we got Thai from the shop. It was a revelation. A hell of a lot better than that fake courtship in the city. I saved myself hours of lying and spending money for maybe being allowed to touch a tit.

Is the reason that you buy sex that you dislike the pickup situation?
– I’ve never had any trouble getting by, but when I pull ladies in the city, I feel like I’m selling myself. I see it from a whore’s perspective, if you will. I’m completely aware that she’s lying, because I do it myself.

 You think buying sex is more honest than one night stands?
– Yes, and you end up spending roughly the same. We can also see it from the other side. You know the saying “all women are whores”? It’s an over the top statement, but there is some truth to it. To stand at the bar and rake in drink after drink from guys who are lying to get to sleep with you – that’s a form of whoring. Just like so many other things people do.

Ottar asks me to clarify that he is currently in a relationship and doesn’t avail himself of prostitutes (“beyond faithful” as he phrases it). He only buys sex when he is single, and preferably abroad. As the singer of the punk band Haggis and with his job as a travel journalist, among others for the men’s magazine Alfa, he has accumulated many days of travel, he says. And wherever he travels, there are temptations.

– They’re everywhere, in different shapes – and I try everything. Street whores, brothels, or whatever there is. I have no preferences.

Don’t you have any criteria? Some say they only buy sex from women who aren’t being exploited.
– Haha! If you want to be sure of that, you have to stop buying sex – and many other things people buy without thinking about it. It’s not my responsibility to ensure the well-being of people I don’t know. I take care of my nearest. The whole point with the whoring is the distance. You buy a service, and done.

And you manage to distance yourself?
– Yes. But I understand that it can be horrible. I have daughters myself, and I wouldn’t wish this profession on them for anything in the world. It’s just the men who sit and grin, the women don’t have it so damn great. That Danish one should walk a few meters in real whore’s shoes. Look at the girls who stand out here teeth chattering waiting to be taken along in those rape vans. Fucking hell. The whole thing is on the shady side, but that’s the stuff that’s really dark.

The reason they are standing out there is that there is a sex market, though. If you agree that they have a horrible life, how can you not feel some responsibility?

– And your clothes are most likely made by small Indian children’s hands. You can say stuff like that about anything. Everything can be dragged into a moral abyss by telling horror stories. That mentality of “if I don’t do it, someone else is going to do it” – well, that is actually the case too. Should we all, like, quit it, then? Stop buying whores?

Yes?

– That’s a utopia! Like the war on drugs, it’s impossible to win. It’s much better to do it like in Portugal. Let them pay tax! It’s gotta be better for them to become a part of society than to live with fifty other girls in an apartment where they are beat on by some Nigerian baron or something.

Could a happy industry exist? Or is that an inherently boring thing?

– From what I know about women, I don’t think it’s possible to separate sex and feelings one hundred percent. Not over time, and continue to be happy.

You don’t believe in the sex-loving happy hooker?

– She does exist, but she’s the exception that proves the rule.

Ottar’s friend is more optimistic, and starts dishing out about women he knows who thrive in selling sex. Completely ordinary mothers of toddlers who make a year’s earnings by going on a summer tour in a trailer.
– It’s those who are independent and have full control that are happy.

Ottar interrupts.

– They thrive when they’re raking it in, yeah. It’ll be like this for many whores: do they like the men? No. Do they like the job? Meh. Do they like the money? Haha, you bet they do!

What do you think about girls who sell themselves? Do you look down on them?

– Absolutely not! You have a tough profession there, all respect to those who can do it. I know I said I don’t see them as people, but I actually think they are worth as much as everyone else. What I mean is that I don’t see them as my people. I don’t behave towards them like people.

Ottar speaks quickly and animatedly. Every sentence opens up new associations and thoughts that don’t always lead to a conclusion. A parallel between buying sex from trafficking victims and clothes produced with child labor subtly glides into experiences with Colombian street prostitutes and ends in a rant against the Swedish justice minister, Beatrice Ask, who recently came down hard against hash after having been fooled by a false report of a hash overdose with a deadly outcome.

– I mean, she knows nothing! And people like that are supposed to tell us what’s right and wrong. People who haven’t lived a day in their lives. Those who yell the loudest about morals are those I trust the least.

“From the top down” people, he calls them. “Those who declare themselves judge over other people’s actions but don’t want to show their own weaknesses.”

– The only things that are black and white are the keys on the piano, says Ottar.

– At least I’m honest about that shit.